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  Humans brought to Earth, not native to it.

  by Bad_Wolf in

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  below i link the article.

  i thought some points on the claim were interesting.

  such as how prolonged direct exposure to sunlight hurts us vs other animals, sicknesses, etc.

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  Half banana

  Occam's razor is the tool needed. Why look to aliens to explain what is already explained by palaeontology?
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  God seems to have alot of failures?

  by purrpurr in

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  for an all powerful, all knowing god it seems most of his plans go awry, so why assume that armageddon/ new system will work?

  look at the track record.

  ... adam and eve... went wrong.

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  Half banana

  Venus, God is unknowable, untestable and unprovable and therefore not worth bothering with except as the embodiment of a the idealised father within an anthropological context. This projection would have to appear perfect.

  I cannot let you have Neitzsche's "eternal recurrence" as it is invalidated by the modern understanding of time having a beginning and not as people in the nineteenth century assumed it to be namely without a beginning and end.

  It also seems from Nietzsche's notes which his sister published after his death that it had formed part of a thought experiment rather than a dogmatic premise.
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  God wipes out humans/wickedness in Noah's Flood but somehow wickedness returns

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  genesis 6: 9-139 this is the account of noah and his family.noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with god.

  10 noah had three sons: shem, ham and japheth.11 now the earth was corrupt in god’s sight and was full of violence.12 god saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.

  13 so god said to noah, “i am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them.

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  Half banana

  The issue raised in the OP is that God’s judgement on his children by killing them did not resolve the matter of people being people and wanting to express their individuality. On reflection the story of the flood could show that the heart of humanity is actually not in favour of being governed by a God.

  The first thing to learn about the Bible is that it is not true.

  The flood account even reads like a myth. How illogical for eight people to gather samples of every species on the Earth and build a giant ship to float them. How unreasonable that God would use the rainbow as a symbol of his promise never to flood the earth again and kill off most of its inhabitants-- how charitable of him! Especially is this so when later religionists in the Bible promise another dose of global genocide at Armageddon.

  Folklore without the pretence of being sacred doesn’t have to make sense, what it does do is harmonise or explain away the unexplainable.

  I would however say that the flood never existed. There is sufficient evidence from earth sciences that it never happened, there is an unbroken record of depositional layers in lakes, rivers, oceans and ice cores. Secondly the flood according to the Bible occurred in historic time and there is no written recording anywhere of this non-event.
  

  It seems to me from evidence of folklore including the Bible that it was associated with the great climate change warming of the Late Upper Palaeolithic period at the end of the last Ice Age and an Ice Age is characterised as a dry desert. The consequence of the Arctic ice melt of the colder higher latitudes was the unfamiliar experience of heavy rainfall there and everywhere else, including areas where rain appeared never to have fallen before as mentioned in Genesis 2;5. As the ice retreated and the planet warmed up and the atmosphere became humid and the landscape became fertile like a Garden of Eden. Even the Sahara became green for many centuries.

  Consequently farming was discovered as a new means of food production, permitting a much greater population density. This brought with it cities for the first time and political and religious leaders who used the prevailing superstitions of gods and god-men to control the masses. The nephilim were the same as the Greek and Roman demigod heroes, the mythical offspring of Gods who loved humans whose stories were recounted in the reading of the night time constellations-- something which could be considered the first 'Bible'. The hunter gatherers became fewer as farming grew and the new religious myth of seed cultivation and harvest became the standard literary backcloth and remains much in evidence in the NT Greek.

  The flood myth did not start with the Bible; they abound in all cultures with many fantastical explanations of why it was dry and then rainy. Myth only gives an engaging explanation, not truth as we know it. It was not a treatise on early climate change neither was Noah’s flood a historical event. The Noah story is too preposterous for reality but it capitalises on a historical fact of climate amelioration and uses it for moral instruction and warning.

  The concept of scientific explanations based on verifiable evidence only go back around four hundred years and the concept of writing truthfully for popular consumption only goes back to the French Enlightenment at the end of the eighteenth century.

  (sorry I get carried away with lengthy explanations but there is a lot of unpicking of myth necessary for ex JWs!)
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  New JWism in April broadcast?

  by AuntBee in

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  does anyone know what it means to be "securely wrapped up in the bag of life"?

  is this a new special wt terminology?

  they said it or a slight variant of it, several times in the broadcast, perhaps 3?

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  The NEB puts it more descriptively as being wrapped, the JW bible sounds like a body bag as All Time Jeff suggests.

  JW org is always looking for Biblical images to sloganise with, this one is claustrophobic.

  However there are many hopeless and helpless JWs who actually prefer to live their lives in the false security of being told what to do by the GB and thereby already live in a metaphorical straightjacket.
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  Thin magazine make you think, is it?

  by Gorbatchov in

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  jw father in law in hospital, this weekend, maybe last days of his life.

  with his last energy he was reading a watchtower magazine for comfort.

  i could understand.

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  Half banana

  Thin Watchtower magazine =

  unappetising religious prattle

  dreary literature for very old religious has-beens

  last evidence for a failed and dying cult.
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  Warwick is an ASS

  by lastmanstanding in

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  google earth warwick and turn the map upside down.

  it’s as clear as a bell.. i have been looking at satellite images of assembly halls because of the one in denmark being a pagan design of an all seeing eye like on the us dollar etc.. so i said, what the hell does warwick look like from space?.

  question answered.

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  Half banana

  I'll go with the saiga antelope (Days of f p)....... the other connection is that they are both dropping in numbers and heading toward extinction.
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  Humans brought to Earth, not native to it.

  by Bad_Wolf in

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  below i link the article.

  i thought some points on the claim were interesting.

  such as how prolonged direct exposure to sunlight hurts us vs other animals, sicknesses, etc.

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  Half banana

  BW, I did not mean to put you down-- rather to shake you out of old JW assumptions.

  When we leave the cult we are left with little idea of how the world truly works, we have a jaundiced view of most things courtesy of the Watchtower and it does take quite a while to catch up with reality.

  Do keep posting provocative questions!
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  Humans brought to Earth, not native to it.

  by Bad_Wolf in

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  2. current

  below i link the article.

  i thought some points on the claim were interesting.

  such as how prolonged direct exposure to sunlight hurts us vs other animals, sicknesses, etc.

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  Half banana

  Bad Wolf said:8 hours ago8 hours ago

  Those who think the idea is ridiculous, there is nothing proving beyond of a shadow of a doubt where or what we come from.

  Please learn from this BW, so that in future you question the wording of what you are posting since your opening statement is completely false. You may speak with JWs and other crackpots in these childish terms but you cannot pit such ignorance against the work of thousands and thousands of scientific researchers.

  We do know without a shadow of doubt where we come from: the same planet as our fossil ancestors do and we can even pin point the region on Earth: The Great rift Valley, in Tanzania and Kenya, East Africa.

  Also, we know what we come from, that is who we come from.

  The earliest members of the Homo family are in the region of 2.5 to 2.8 million years old. We also have a succession of fossil species in the geological record from that time leading up to Homo sapiens that is modern humans. Just to hammer home the point, to prove the connectedness, modern humans bear the DNA traces of having interbred with extinct species of the human family, including Neanderthals and a lesser known fossil human species called the Denisovans.
  

  Most educated Homo sapiens today understand this.

  Evidence is evidence, you can discuss why fossil humans are there and how they got there but you cannot dismiss the fact that humans form a pedigree, an evolutionary branch of ancestors found in the rocks on planet Earth.
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  Humans brought to Earth, not native to it.

  by Bad_Wolf in

  1. social
  2. current

  below i link the article.

  i thought some points on the claim were interesting.

  such as how prolonged direct exposure to sunlight hurts us vs other animals, sicknesses, etc.

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  Half banana

  Bad Wolf how then do you account for the geological record with fossil proto humans leading to fossil modern humans embedded within it?
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  Roll Call for the benefit of Newbies and Lurkers. In One Sentence tell why you left the Org.

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  roll call for the benefit of newbies and lurkers.

  in one sentence tell why you left the org.

  not 2 sentences.

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  Half banana

  Once I started questioning the beliefs, everything had holes in it especially the two key areas; the authority of the Bible and the authority of the governing body.